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Posted 3/26/2008 9:38:59 PM
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I was just wondering how many folks are still using lead shot and how many are using one of the new alloys.  There has been some debate over how much the heavier than lead stuff can damage a gun barrel.  What do you use?

I'm sticking with lead.

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Posted 3/26/2008 10:22:03 PM


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Greetings Yelp!

I also shoot lead loads - Winchester HV #4 or #5 3.5 in. or Federal HV flight control #5 3.5 inch. with great results out of a Comp-n-choke tube in my Benelli SBE. I'm a little hesitant in trying the "Heavy" loads out of my Comp-n-choke (actually warned against according to Comp-n-choke). Those heavy loads are also on the pricey side.

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Posted 3/27/2008 12:09:37 AM
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To me their is absolutly no comparison between hevi shot and lead. Yes lead is devastating on turkeys at 40 yards and has been for number of years. I do agree that the Win HV Supreme is the best lead load availiable right now.

With this being said hevi shot patterns much better than what lead does and allows for the drop in pellet size while surpassing lethality of lead. The new Bronze loads by environmetal are also much more consistent  from one gun to the next with similiar choke constrictions.  IMO any thing environmetal makes makers of hevishot has less recoil than what lead does.

Its like comparing apples to oranges if you want to count pellets and energy delivered to target.

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Posted 3/27/2008 9:23:34 AM


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To me their is absolutly no comparison between hevi shot and lead. Yes lead is devastating on turkeys at 40 yards and has been for number of years. I do agree that the Win HV Supreme is the best lead load availiable right now.

With this being said hevi shot patterns much better than what lead does and allows for the drop in pellet size while surpassing lethality of lead. The new Bronze loads by environmetal are also much more consistent  from one gun to the next with similiar choke constrictions.  IMO any thing environmetal makes makers of hevishot has less recoil than what lead does.

Its like comparing apples to oranges if you want to count pellets and energy delivered to target.

 

I agree with Mi-TURKKILLER....There are some good lead loads on the market....but there is NO comparison to Hevi Shot as far as dense patterns are concerned.  I use the NEW Hevi 13 by environmetal & i'm getting 190 pellets in a 10" circle @ 40 yards with 3", 2oz, #6's.  The hevi #6 also carries the weight of a #4 or #5 lead load so it also has fantastic killing power down range.

 

 

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Posted 3/27/2008 10:14:18 AM
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Im cheap, so I use Remington turkey loads.  $6 bucks for 10 shells!  But, it doesn't matter.  This Tikka is the best shooting turkey gun that I have ever seen!

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Posted 3/27/2008 10:25:53 AM
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I shoot Nitro Company Ammunition #H521

 hevishot is 10% heavier than lead 

It has a special moly type coating applied to it to keep scoring or marking of the barrels or chokes  

You can read more about athttp://www.nitrocompany.com/ammunition.htm

 

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Posted 3/27/2008 6:38:06 PM
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I've shot both and many different brands of both from shells that patteren unbeliveable to shells that pattern like crap and just recently i was introduced to hevi 13 and hands down its impressed me, its the only shell i'll take to the turkey woods. it doesnt patteren great outa my gun but the knock down power is truely a sight, it will kill a turkey at 55yards like lead does at 20....i love this stuff!!!

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Posted 3/27/2008 10:15:06 PM
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When I bought my Comp-N-Choke I wasn't happy with the way it patterned with number 4's and 5's so I called the company.  I spoke to the owner Charlie Boswell who also owns Kick's Gobblin Thunder.  He had interesting insight about shot lethality.  He pondered the idea that lead might be more lethal because it is softer and could deliver more energy rather than passing straight through.  He compared it to rifle bullets that have soft lead cores.  They mushroom and deform and that slows the bullet down delivering more energy.  A bullet that zips right through still has energy when it exits the other side.  I guess there would be a way to study this but I've never heard of any.  I guess you could make a turkey head out of ballistic gellatin and see how they perform.

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Posted 3/28/2008 1:18:50 PM


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I don't the guy who owns both Comp-n-choke and Kick's and I am not guessing at his motive but neither ofthose companies recommend Hevi-shot. And he turns around and ponders how lead "may be" better than Hevi-Shot because of less penetration. Interesting...no?

The arguement about too much penetration in this discussion is weak. For this to be true, lead would have to be the ultimate combination of density and hardness producing the best patterns. However, everybody weighing on Hevi-Shot has said they got better patterns (including me). So why would I give up more knock down power, which equals more bone breaking power, denser patterns nad extended range? For fear of too much penetration? Uh, something isn't adding up here. Why would I want to take something off of my punch?

The bottom line is this: Does his skull crack, veins burst and neck break less with better penetration (i.e. - Hevi-shot)? Of course not. "But hey, my lead shot does that." No doubt and most of the time based on shot distance and brush it doesn't matter - let's say 80-90% of the time. But as for me, I'll be toting that extra killin' power for the other 10-20% of the time.

Ed

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Posted 3/28/2008 10:36:53 PM
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Well said educote, I too am skeptical sometimes of boswells persistence against hevi shot.

I still cant gather why guys will spend 80-100 dollars on pot calls, 10 bucks on a mouth call etc etc Yet they some how feel that 3-4 dollars on a shell which is the actual piece of equipment that does the dirty work is excessive.

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